There are HOW many Capcom-original Marvel characters?!?

Friday, May 31, 2013

So last week, in talking about the long-term plan for Parasite's stolen-power moves, I said I was planning to support:

… a plurality of DC and Marvel heavy-hitters, hopefully all Capcom-produced Marvel characters and all the great MUGEN-only ones. Then I'll do like TwinImage suggested, and implement a handful of generic power sets for all other characters he might encounter, including things like strength, speed, super-armor, etc.

Seems reasonable, right?

Earlier this week I actually sat down and compiled the rosters of all the Capcom-produced fighting games with Marvel characters, and guess what I learned?

All Capcom Marvel characters (to eventually support...? Eeek!)

X-Men:Children of the Atom
Cyclops, Psylocke, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, Omega Red, Sentinel, Spiral, Silver Samurai, Juggernaut, Magneto
Marvel Super Heroes
Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Psylocke, Magneto, Shuma-Gorath, Blackheart, Juggernaut, Dr. Doom, Thanos
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Gambit, Storm, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Magneto, Apocalypse
Marvel Superheroes vs Street Fighter
Cyclops, Spider-Man, Captain America, Wolverine, Hulk, Shuma-Gorath, Blackheart, Omega Red, Apocalypse
Marvel vs Capcom
Captain America, Gambit, Hulk, Spider-Man, Venom, War Machine, Wolverine, Onslaught
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Cyclops, Doctor Doom, Sentinel, Blackheart, Captain America, Gambit, Hulk, Iceman, Iron Man, Juggernaut, Magneto, Silver Samurai, Omega Red, War Machine, Rogue, Sabretooth, Colossus, Shuma-Gorath, Wolverine, Cable, Storm, Thanos, Psylocke, Spider-Man, Marrow, Wolverine (Bone Claws), Spiral, Venom
Marvel vs Capcom 3
Deadpool, Doctor Strange, Dormammu, Galactus, Ghost Rider, Hawkeye, Iron Fist, MODOK, Nova, Phoenix, Rocket Raccoon, She-Hulk, Super-Skrull, Taskmaster, Thor, X-23


So then I filtered through all of that and got a single list of all Capcom-created Marvel characters:

  1. !Apocalypse
  2. *Blackheart
  3. *Cable
  4. #Captain America
  5. *Colossus
  6. #Cyclops
  7. #Deadpool
  8. Doctor Strange
  9. Dormammu
  10. #Dr. Doom
  11. !Galactus
  12. *Gambit
  13. #Ghost Rider
  14. Hawkeye
  15. #Hulk
  16. #Iceman
  17. Iron Fist
  18. #Iron Man
  19. #Juggernaut
  20. MODOK
  21. *Magneto
  22. #Marrow
  23. Nova
  24. #Omega Red
  25. !Onslaught
  26. *Phoenix
  27. *Psylocke
  28. Rocket Raccoon
  29. @Rogue
  30. Sabretooth
  31. *Sentinel
  32. *She-Hulk
  33. *Shuma-Gorath
  34. *Silver Samurai
  35. #Spider-Man
  36. #Spiral
  37. #Storm
  38. $Super-Skrull
  39. Taskmaster
  40. #Thanos
  41. #Thor
  42. #Venom
  43. %War Machine
  44. #Wolverine
  45. ^X-23

That's a big list!

Looking over this list, I had several observations:

  • # – These are the ones I support already; 18 out of 45... :-P
  • * – I've had tentative plans to support these ones in the future, and in many cases have ripped sprites / drawn (or been given) power set icons, etc
  • ! – These ones are huge boss characters; maybe I won't support them, since even though they may be playable, they're not going to be common
  • $ – Super-Skrull I can kind of punt on, and just cough up a random FF-based power set ;)
  • % – War Machine is more or less just a copy of Iron Man, so maybe I can cheat and use the same power set for both...?
  • ^ – X-23, I might be able to get away with just treating like Wolverine... #maybenot
  • @ – ... and then there's Rogue. I really have no idea how to deal with the Rogues out there, since, as a power-drainer herself, she doesn't have many original attacks. Ranked easiest to hardest, here are my options:
    1. ignore her / treat her like an unpowered opponent (i.e. just get a random health/power boost)
    2. treat her like my MarvelTemplate character, and get a random Marvel power set
    3. create a custom power set based on her few non-stolen moves
    4. try and figure out what power set she's got and copy it (ugh, HARD)

This week, I went ahead and added support for Super Skrull, giving up a random power set from one of the Fantastic Four:

Parasite fighting Super-Skrull
I love the "Elastic Slam" special from Mr. Fantastic's power set. I especially love the irony that I got the idea from Super Skrull's MvC3 move. :)

Even with all of these caveats and special-cases, that leaves me with more power sets to add than I a) have room for in my power-stealing code, and b) have time to actually implement! Plus, it completely leaves out any of the other community-created Marvel characters that I'd like to support, like Luke Cage, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Giant Man, etc.

So I guess I'm going to have to think long & hard about this.

Meanwhile, there's plenty to fix in the power sets he already has! Guess that means it's time to get back to work!


hey man, nice to see you back, good luck on your projects, mugen and RL ones, right now im on a mugen break, but later, when i return, i will check how i can help you on mandarin,
[ontopic] nice progress on parasite. i tink you should do one hyper, (maybe lvl 3 if you dont want to see it overused) where he got 2 random power sets, that should help when he fight against someone out of his list.
So that mean u stick on your original plan i guess.

Good luck in everything u are doing :)
Z! Nice to see you over here! I'd love to collab with you on Mandarin; he really deserves to get finished. As for your idea, I actually gave him a hyper a while ago called "Quick Snack" that does exactly that... he dashes offscreen, and gets a new power set in the selected slot (there are two separate triggers for the two power slots).

@NX: yeah, more or less, I guess. :^)
UOL Buyog cool that finally the parasite will be very good with full power all I want to see what power you will put it on the set of the parasite Bane imagine all pumped kkk
Maybe you can treat Rogue like a Parasite vs Parasite fight.
Mandarin? That would be amazinggggggggggg!!! :)
Good luck man, that's a big undertaking to do all those. lol

Might I suggest you make a list of the generic power sets you want to include and see how many of the Capcom made Marvel characters they accommodate?

There's also DC characters, which I feel is more appropriate to accommodate since Parasite is a DC character. But it's up to you, do what you like and is fun, that's what it's all about! ;)
Hey there Buyog/Ryon! I'm glad you took into consideration my thoughts about your Parasite, I really appreciate a whole lot. Now seening your huge task and list that you put up in this post makes me wonder if you even have the time to do all of this. I mean I'm sure your a busy guy and taking on something like this is sure time consuming work. From the list that you put up I can give you an advice. All the Marvel VS Chars that are repeated in all of the games, you should just take the best one with the best and most complete move list out of all of them and just make him/her the one that Parasite steals his/her move set weather or not he's fighting one from one game or from the other. For example: Cyclops, Iron Man & Wolverine are in most or if not all of the Marvel VS games. Just pick the best one and make Parasite use that power set once he steals it or you can just take bits and pieces from each game of the Marvel VS series and if Wolverine has a special in one game but in the other one he doesn't have it any longer but has a new move then Parasite can steal all of those moves from all of the games into one power set. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.... Also TwinImage is right about Parasite should steal more of the DC chars moves than Marvels but it's really all up to you and your taste and preference. I hope I help you out a little more in your quest to finally complete Parasite. Thanks for reading this. Have a good day. BYE!!
For those of you suggesting I should focus on DC power sets, well, of course I should -- but since he's a DC vs Marvel character, I should support all the major Marvel characters too (although not the more obscure ones, I think). The problem is, it's much easier to identify the official Capcom-created Marvel characters than it is to put together a solid list of DC characters that actually have good released characters. Doesn't mean I'm not trying, though -- more on that this Friday.

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